Mac Discussion

Bought a refurbished IBook for my son with OSX 10.4.11 on it and apparently parts of Classic are missing. Think this machine may have been used by a school & someone deleted some files they thought they did not need. How can he get Classic to work again on the IBook.......no recovery discs came with the IBook.

TIA

Bob

You'll need to buy an OS 9.2 disk on eBay or the LEM Swap list or find an Install/Restore disk set for his specific iBook model.

If it was refurbished I'd ask the seller about the missing files. If it was sold "as is" it wasn't really refurbished. If it was sold as refurbished it should have included complete files unless that was specified in the sale info.

Also, an OS 9.1 installer disk would work too, as you can upgrade 9.1 to 9.2.2. (Classic is 9.2.2.)


Good luck.

- Winston

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you should check to see if the hard drive is even formatted with the OS 9 drivers, if not, Classic will not work.
My iMac G5 is running 10.4.11 and has all the leftover Classic stuff on it but I when I formatted the new drive on it I opted not to include the OS9 drivers.

You can verify this by opening Disk Utility, clicking on the Hard Drive in the upper left hand corner of the window (not the "Macintosh HD" name, the one above it that is whatever brand/type of drive it is)
then click the "I" (info) blue button to get info about the drive.
The info window will have some info about the drive including this:
Mac OS 9 Drivers installed: Yes
or
Mac OS 9 Drivers installed: No

if YES, then at least you know that if you find a 9.1/9.2 install disk it will not be a problem.

J-J- Wrote:
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> you should check to see if the hard drive is even
> formatted with the OS 9 drivers, if not, Classic
> will not work.

I don't think this is quite correct. Classic will work on a Mac without OS 9 drivers. (I think this is how Macs which can use Classic but can't boot into OS 9 are formatted.) However, if you boot up from an OS 9 disk (hard drive with OS 9 or an OS 9 installation CD) a drive without OS 9 drivers will not be recognized and OS 9 will ask if you want to format it.

If you are installing Classic from an OS X install disk which contains Classic as an option you should not need to worry about the OS 9 drivers. If the Mac can be booted into OS 9 then you definitely want the OS 9 drivers installed on the hard drive.

You can only install the OS 9 drivers when the hard drive is formatted. There is no way to add them after the fact. So if you need to add them you will need to back up and reformat the drive.


Good luck.

- Winston




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J-J- Wrote:
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> you should check to see if the hard drive is even
> formatted with the OS 9 drivers, if not, Classic
> will not work.

Really? I just thought you needed those drivers if you wanted to *boot* into OS 9. But then, I haven't used Classic Mode in at least four years.

oops! I stand corrected.

please ignore my post about the drivers, I just launched an olde Classic app and it worked for me despite not having the OS 9 drivers installed.

I guess you really do just need an OS 9.1 install disk.

Will Classic os9.1 run on a dual core Intel Xeon running 10.5.8?
I have one classic app that I have to run on another machine. It would be great to run it on my macpro.

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Classic applications do not work on Intel processor-based Macs or with Mac OS X 10.5.

I have lots of OS 9 applications I wish I could run on newer Macs. I miss Myst particularly.


Good luck.

- Winston

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Have you tried SheepShaver (You will need to install Rosetta (Free from Apple)?
If you have the ROM from a PPC Mac and Mac OS 8.5 it works fine in 10.6

I am running it now.


Hope this helps,
ConservaMac

ConservaMac Wrote:
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> Have you tried SheepShaver (You will need to
> install Rosetta (Free from Apple)?
> If you have the ROM from a PPC Mac and Mac OS 8.5
> it works fine in 10.6
>
> I am running it now.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
> ConservaMac


I researched SheepShaver a couple of years ago. I was under the impression that it was beta-level software which was unlikely to ever get the wrinkles ironed out, so I decided not to try it.

Where do you get a ROM and why OS 8.5 (vs. 9.1)?

Thanks.

- W

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I have SheepShaver working on my new 24" iMac 3Ghz.

The compatibility of SheepShaver is good---but it isn't very stable. Some apps crash it consistently, others do fine. If you can settle for 68K Mac emulation, Basilisk is much more stable and faster but finding a ROM is harder (needs to be copied from an actual 68K Mac, or downloaded off the internet.)

ROMs for SheepShaver: Easy as pie for emulating New World Macs. The MacOS ROM file found in the system folder of MacOS 9.x works fine. There is also a MacOS updater still available from Apple that contains a ROM file that works just fine too.

There are Sheepshaver builds that are pretty stable and run 9.1 fairly reliably. Do a bit of Googling and you may even find that there's a complete distro with the ROM floating around.

I'm not sure of the legality of running Sheepshaver with a downloaded ROM file, but (consult an attorney for an authoritative opinion) I'd guess that you've probably got a good fair use defense if you legitimately own a copy of OS 9.

The Black Adder Wrote:
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> There are Sheepshaver builds that are pretty
> stable and run 9.1 fairly reliably. Do a bit of
> Googling and you may even find that there's a
> complete distro with the ROM floating around.
>
> I'm not sure of the legality of running
> Sheepshaver with a downloaded ROM file, but
> (consult an attorney for an authoritative opinion)
> I'd guess that you've probably got a good fair use
> defense if you legitimately own a copy of OS 9.

I probably own at least a dozen copies of OS 9 in various guises (discs which came with a Mac and retail install discs). I also have at least 9 Macs which came with OS 9 or Classic, and a couple of others which were upgraded to it.

I have trouble believing it would not be legal to use one of my OS 9 versions with an emulator, particularly if some OS 9 installers include a ROM file.

- W




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Gee you have nine Macs.......I thought I had the max as I own seven of them but you have me beat !!!!

That's just the count of the ones which came with OS 9. Total count is over 20 (including the kids' MacBooks). Seven in daily use.

- W

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I am running a very late distribution I got off of emulation.net. But certain apps crash it dead. Much less stable than a real MacOS 9.x Mac, and believe me, I want it to work. I love MacOS X but I still love the classic OS today and have many old apps I'd like to keep around. (Esp. for specialty apps that are VERY expensive, no longer exist in any form, and which I don't use regularly, but when I need them, I need them. I find backwards compatibility to be critical).

BTW, I can't get 9.1 running at all. SheepShaver documentation says only up to 9.0.4 is supported. I wasted half a day trying to get 9.1 running before I ran across the 9.0.4 limitation.

Jon's response is pretty much in line with my research when I looked into SheepShaver. If it is a huge hassle to run, and won't work with a large number of programs, I'd probably be better off setting up one of my old Macs.

One of my project goals is to put all our old OS 9 programs which ran from CDs onto disk images and run them from an external drive.


- W

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